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Railing in rectangular tubing by ou8nrtist2 Railing in rectangular tubing by ou8nrtist2
This is a sample for a current railing job I'm working on.
Years ago I fantasized that this 1" x 2" rectangular tubing might indeed collapse the way you see in this image ,if brought to heat in the forge and pulled around a scroll jig.My reasoning was based on the assumption that,all things being equal and the heat even throughout,there would still remain some structural integrity at the corners of the tubing that would hold the rectangular cross section while the broad flat faces all collapse in and the edge faces bulge out. This gives a lovely ,almost ORGANIC aesthetic to the scroll which is quite tactile and simply begs to be gripped.
The other interesting contraposto aesthetic point is that I made a very beefy button finial and welded it to the very center of the scroll.
Though the rails for this job are destined to be powdercoated,I can see the possibility in the future of making this same composition in stainless steel to capitalize on the polished metal look which has it's own aesthetic...
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bear48 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Professional
sweet job
SeurAaron Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2010
If you could stamp or forge a scaled patern onto a tapered piece of steel and weld the back on to complete the triangular tube. The top piece would be twice the size of the back and creased in the middle. This would allow you to bring the spiral to that nice point in the drawing and probably cut back on the time requirements.
ou8nrtist2 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2010  Professional
Good solution.
There are several ways to accomplish the design task.
Here in California there is a requirement that a rail be smooth to the touch throughout so the scales could only be sculpted on the end scrolls,but for the main straight sections engraving would work or I could possibly use my plasma cutter(hand held) for gouging the scale pattern...
nativeart Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2010  Professional General Artist
Ah yes I think the polished metal would be very nice. sensual even.
ou8nrtist2 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2010  Professional
With this relative success in experimentation,I'm now thinking about how I can transform square or rectangular tubing into this scaly reptilian tail-like thing for the termination scroll on a railing...
nativeart Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2010  Professional General Artist
Oh I like that idea. I actually like the one labeled 'not this one' Although the scales seem to be heading the wrong direction. Also I would cover up the rivets with the next scale wouldn't want to see them. Or just weld the scale on and forget the rivets. Would you do the scaling the whole length of the rail or just at the ends? Could be a problem if you were going the 'wrong' way on the rail and the scales were on the top. I would think the top would be the best place for the scales though. Or make the top bumpy and put the scales on the bottom that could be cool too, especially with a nice colored patina. Shiny bumps with a colored area between. Knarly bumps too sort of lumpy bumbs not smooth ones.
ou8nrtist2 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2010  Professional
The code out here would only allow scales on the end scrolls.
but they could still be intimated by a deep engraving...
nativeart Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2010  Professional General Artist
really? Wow that is odd why do they care what sort of embellishment you have as long as it is functional. The government... I swear. Yes engraving would work I suppose.
ou8nrtist2 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2010  Professional
The long sections between scrolls must be smooth to the touch with no protrusions that could snag or catch a garment.
nativeart Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2010  Professional General Artist
Yes that makes sense I guess.
lintila Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2010
That curve is incredibly grippable-looking. Although that probably isn't likely to become a real word anytime soon, I want to touch it very much.
ou8nrtist2 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2010  Professional
Dear Helen,
I think that's a marvelous word...
lintila Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2010
Dear Stephen,
Thank you!
The English language really needs more words to describe situations like this.
opiumtraum Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2010
Gorgeous, as always. I see this & wonder what sort of environment it's going into...the entire structure would have to be "artsy" just to give it credit
ou8nrtist2 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2010  Professional
Yes it is artsy.
It's the same Shangri-la ,off-the-grid hacienda where the forged ayahuasca vine is going,and a dozen other of my "accouterments"...
Three miles from the Pacific ocean in a hidden box canyon that borders on preserved Native American Sacred Land with 90 foot redwood trees covering the ridge tops.It's a temperate rain forest that never freezes and gets 101 inches of rain annually...
I'll be spending all day there tomorrow,fitting these railings and taking measurements for a 10ft long table base that will hold a gorgeous slab of polished granite.
SlyFXZ Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nice work dude. Must say I'm surprised that its worked as well as it has...

Of course, with heat, you make the metal much more fluid to bend round a jig but even so this is an achievement! You can bend RHS cold to form a radius, but normally this requires a metal press and a couple of tonnes of pressure to achieve good results.

You don't say whether this is an internal or external piece though structurally, the SHS should do the job - certainly better than the crappy 8-10mm dia bar you see used in the external environment to attach hand rails to walls; though, personally I'd be tempted to up the screw hole count from 2 to 3 or 4 with at least 1 at the top of the circular plate (as mounted) to resist pull out better. My own preference would be to have the SHS return down 90 degrees from the rail and then return into the wall rather than curving straight into the wall as shown. Also, does it snag your fingers and thumbs as you run your hand down the rail?

Lastly, loving the button finial - it really finishes off the scroll well - just make sure the 2" section is either welded or filled shut to remove any sharp edges and your own manufacturers liability!

Apologies for the critique; I'm taking my work home with me again! lol but I couldn't not comment. Looking fwd to seeing this finished and mounted!
SlyFXZ Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lol. Thanks for responding.

I see from your links that, as you say, indeed this ain't your first rodeo! Sculptural/fine art metalwork is indeed your calling!

I only wish the public sector in which I work would have the gall to commission pieces such as yours for the external environment. I spend a great deal of my time ummming and arghing over quality street furniture and boundary treatments (gates, fencing etc.) specifying nice stuff, then having it value engineered out at construction stage to be either removed completely or replaced with some noddy crap that should never have made it off the drawing board! Over here, to the right side of the pond, you see, there is a determination amongst the general populus to break things that look nice so things really do have to be utilitarian & bombproof which, unfortunately, impacts upon aesthetics somewhat! Perhaps there is more freedom working for private sector clients? Lol oh well, such is the life of a landscape architect!

Maybe I should start making things myself... 6 yrs with a 5% take off from your annual salary to get set up you say... Watch this space! lol
ou8nrtist2 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2010  Professional
Dear Matt,
Just to set your mind at ease...
Here on the left side of the pond,(and overland a bit) our building codes are at some variance to those in Britain. This material is 1"x2" rectangular tubing with an 1/8th inch wall.Too stout for a cold bend,at least a nice regular expanding spiral.So even heat has been the methodology to form this.In the pic you see a bracket which is an aesthetic match in 1"x1" forged tubing(also 1/8th wall).The drill holes are to accommodate two 1/4" lag screws. The wall has been continuously blocked ahead of time at the 34"-38" level above the nose of the stairs to insure a solid grip for any fasteners. The rail is held off the INTERIOR wall 1-3/4 inches to allow plenty of room for knuckles etc.The finial is welded in and ground and polished(yes,I tested it with my un-gloved hand)LOL. All the rails for this house will be severely sand blasted before they are powdercoated.
Without trying to be coy or disrespectful in any way;
This ain't my first rodeo...

Having said that I will admit California has some strangeness to get used to in building codes.I'm originally from Maine where things have to be built right or they simply fall down,(severe weather).
I do thank you for your concern on the specifics...
So how long have you been a building inspector?LOL
There are some wonderful new therapies for that,just so you know...
LaughingTree Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2010
Thanks for the nice close-up photo! Love how it turned out!
ou8nrtist2 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2010  Professional
I'll post another shot after it's powdercoated and installed...
ron-paul-for-premier Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2010
That is UNBELIEVABLE ! Great Job my Man... I still like your other railing made with the Solid Flat Piece but this one is something else,..It really has a lot of 'Dimension'.

I'd love to make something like this but I think it would be pretty 'difficult' without a 'Forge'....

Cheers, :)

ou8nrtist2 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2010  Professional
Lots of things are easier with a little heat...
Thank you joe.
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